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brightredmtn · May 25, 2009

scuby20 said:
ok, so how is the height on this? My daughter is really long in the torso and is at the limit of her BLVD...from my daughters bum to the top of her head is about 22-23", from her bum to her shoulders is about 14-15" .do you think this would last longer for the height? Does this seat have the same rules for the height RF as the US seats? The 1 inch below the shell? I really like it and was going to go with the TF, but my daughter just hit 29lbs and doesn't seem to be slowing down..and is getting taller.

I'll measure it once the weekend is over. There is no base so while I think that the back is probably longer than the Marathon, it doesn't take up any more room in the car b/c there is no base.

There isn't the one inch rule however the harness straps must be at or above for rear facing so once you're above the top harness height the kid is too big. This is at least what I assume, there wasn't anything in the manual actually stating "you must stop using once the shoulders go over the top harness height" but it did clearly say to use the closest slots above the shoulders, there was not stipulation about RF or FF.

twinsmom · May 27, 2009

BRM - I missed this post! Congrats! I saw your post awhile back when you were contemplating getting this lovely...uh...lawn ornament - yeah, that's it. How do you like it now that you've had it a few days? It looks great and I love your new siggy.

Pixels · May 27, 2009

brightredmtn said:
Anyway that's for reading my ramblings. I really don't understand why this seat can't be brought to the US. It can be installed with a lap belt only so what's the problem? If anyone from Britax is reading, we want this seat here!!!

FMVSS 213 requires that the seat also have LATCH.

brightredmtn · May 27, 2009

pixels99 said:
FMVSS 213 requires that the seat also have LATCH.

It could easily have LATCH since it can be installed with a lap only belt, which is the same thing as a belt with two LATCH attachments on the end.

TechnoGranola · May 27, 2009

I really don't see the point of making LATCH a requirement for ALL seats anyway. ALL seats currently have to be installed with the seat belt at one point or another (after 40/48). And for a RF seat that RF higher than 40/48 pounds, everyone would eventually have to install this seat RF WITH the seat belt. It would be less confusing to have it installed with the seat belt only (like it's designed now) so as not to confuse people by having to switch at some point.

(This assumes that the RF LATCH limit would be the same as the FF LATCH limit. Not sure if it would differ because of crash dynamics)

brightredmtn · May 27, 2009

TechnoGranola said:
I really don't see the point of making LATCH a requirement for ALL seats anyway. ALL seats currently have to be installed with the seat belt at one point or another (after 40/48). And for a RF seat that RF higher than 40/48 pounds, everyone would eventually have to install this seat RF WITH the seat belt. It would be less confusing to have it installed with the seat belt only (like it's designed now) so as not to confuse people by having to switch at some point.

(This assumes that the RF LATCH limit would be the same as the FF LATCH limit. Not sure if it would differ because of crash dynamics)

Good point because I imagine that people read their vehicle manual (to know the LATCH limits) even less than the child restraint manual. I'm sure now that we have so many higher weight harnessing seats on the market there is a WHOLE lot of misuse going on with LATCH being used when it's not supposed to.

mom2juliarose · May 27, 2009

I'm curious-- I've always heard "at or below" for RFing... yet this seat is at or above, correct?

What would happen in a crash with "at or below" vs. "at or above"?

brightredmtn · May 27, 2009

mom2juliarose said:
I'm curious-- I've always heard "at or below" for RFing... yet this seat is at or above, correct?

What would happen in a crash with "at or below" vs. "at or above"?

The only thing I could find about harness height in the manual stated to use the closest slots and use the ones above. Not the exact wording but the general concept. There was no stipulation for RF or FF. I even looked in the Swedish manual and there was only one set of pictures that explained the same thing.

I don't know why there isn't a difference. AdventureDad, Lena you guys out there!!!!

lenats31 · May 27, 2009

It is at or slightly above the shoulders until the child reaches the top slots. The child can continue to use the Swedish seats until the tips of their ears are level with the top of the seat withgout regard to the harness being below shoulder level.

OP. Beaware that the TWE should not be installed in recline position past 28½ lbs. If DH´s son weighs more than this you should change it to 10 degree angle as the TWE does not have a base and a footprop to support a weight higher than this in recline position. the 10 degree angle will leave more legroom for the child. and reduce the risk of downward rotation in a crash considerably.

18" torso 5 year old:

Regent and TWE:

Lena

firemomof3 · May 27, 2009

I'm sitting here drooling

Thanks for posting all these great pics! I LOVE

the swedish seats and am so mad that we cannot have them here in the US

Sceason1972 · May 27, 2009

brightredmtn said:
Good point because I imagine that people read their vehicle manual (to know the LATCH limits) even less than the child restraint manual. I'm sure now that we have so many higher weight harnessing seats on the market there is a WHOLE lot of misuse going on with LATCH being used when it's not supposed to.

My vehicle manual does not state a LATCH weight limit - although I drive a Honda and have learned the LATCH limit is 40lbs. Most people though, even if they did look would NOT find the info. I also, don't get the argument why this seat should not be required too - we have many higher weight seats that deal this problem already. They need to get cars to have a higher LATCH limit.

brightredmtn · May 27, 2009

twinsmom said:
BRM - I missed this post! Congrats! I saw your post awhile back when you were contemplating getting this lovely...uh...lawn ornament - yeah, that's it. How do you like it now that you've had it a few days? It looks great and I love your new siggy.

I think I love it more and more every day!

lenats31 said:
OP. Beaware that the TWE should not be installed in recline position past 28½ lbs. If DH´s son weighs more than this you should change it to 10 degree angle as the TWE does not have a base and a footprop to support a weight higher than this in recline position. the 10 degree angle will leave more legroom for the child. and reduce the risk of downward rotation in a crash considerably. Lena

My manual didn't offer any numbers it just said small child and larger child. Thanks for pointing this out.

I did originally try to install it with the boot extended out on the car's seat since he is a "bigger child" weighing 32lbs. I couldn't get the bottom of the TWE to be flat against the car's seat without it being less than a 10% angle though and since that is how it is in the picture in the manual I thought the reclined install would be better since it seemed to be more accurate. I'll try again to install the other way.

Do you think the amount of TWE back braced against the two front seats is enough?

Oh and the kiddo is mine too, I was just being funny in my response to Splash.

firemomof3 said:
I'm sitting here drooling
Thanks for posting all these great pics! I LOVE the swedish seats and am so mad that we cannot have them here in the US

Well you can have them here... You can even have one here legally.

Sceason1972 said:
My vehicle manual does not state a LATCH weight limit - although I drive a Honda and have learned the LATCH limit is 40lbs. Most people though, even if they did look would NOT find the info. I also, don't get the argument why this seat should not be required too - we have many higher weight seats that deal this problem already. They need to get cars to have a higher LATCH limit.

Yikes my Toyota manual has the LATCH weight limit I just assumed that they all did. Wow yeah even more opportunity for misuse. Really before I became such a car seat enthusiast I probably wouldn't have thought that the car would have a limit.

joolsplus3 · May 27, 2009

mom2juliarose said:
I'm curious-- I've always heard "at or below" for RFing... yet this seat is at or above, correct?

What would happen in a crash with "at or below" vs. "at or above"?

Nothing much. They had to come up with the 'at or below' rule for our inferior US seats with the ill-fitting 3 point harnesses and overhead shields with no lap straps to hold the child in the seat very well when they ramp up. A seat with a 5 pt harness will hold the child in very well no matter if it's at, above, or below.

brightredmtn · May 27, 2009

joolsplus3 said:
Nothing much. They had to come up with the 'at or below' rule for our inferior US seats with the ill-fitting 3 point harnesses and overhead shields with no lap straps to hold the child in the seat very well when they ramp up. A seat with a 5 pt harness will hold the child in very well no matter if it's at, above, or below.

Oh good so when I see a RF kid in a five point with the harness above their shoulders I'll stop freaking out!

lenats31 · May 28, 2009

try to press it down with your knee and pull the tether straps or have someone-else pull the tether straps as you put your weight on the seat one side at a time. - like you would with the Regent.

Once the tether straps are tightend enough you will find out that your children will have great difficulties unbuckling them. I don´t think they can, to be honest.

The TWE does not have to be installed right up against the rear seat back.

Lena

brightredmtn · May 29, 2009

I tried installing it again in the more upright position. Lena what do you think?

My grumpy model. Is the angle OK?

With the belts going straight in now I couldn't help for them to get bunched up. What's that velcro for BTW?

This wasn't tightly gripping the back of the car's seat.

Another one trying to get the angle.

Thank you!!!

sunnymw · May 29, 2009

When you install it like that--is it "rock solid"?

brightredmtn · May 29, 2009

sunnymw said:
When you install it like that--is it "rock solid"?

Yep pretty much, definitely much less than an inch of movement at the belt path.

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Adventuredad · May 30, 2009

Nothing will happen if you keep the seat in "baby position" past a certain weight. But the angle will be too high and not suited for a larger child.

If you want more of an angle you can put a towel underneath the front bottom of your TW. Angle will be better and seat will still be installed rock solid as long as you tighten seat belt and tether straps.

Straps should be "at or above" but it also works well slightly below the shoulders. I have confirmed this directly with Britax. Some kids have straps just below shoulders while in top position since parents want to rear facing longer. It would be a good idea to do this if tip of ears still has not reached the top of seat shell.

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